The Feeling of Dungeon World

Hirelings to Heroes

My good friend Tom. recently kicked off a Dungeon World campaign. I’m a player in it. It’s got a very particular flavour and premise that places the players in the position of being the hirelings of the “real” adventuring party. And so it was at the start. But, before we had a chance to yell, “WATCH OUT FOR THAT FLESHY BOI MAN THING” the tables were turned and the PCs had to dig deep and find something heroic inside themselves or have the entire group die horrible deaths in the depths of the first dungeon. I would like to give a big shout-out to Tom’s awesome in media res beginning in a massive organic mouth with eyes on the inside and little flesh monsters. It rocked.

My character is Craobh Beag (pronounced something like Kreev Byug), a Kyrfolk (think minotaur whose bull half was a Highland) druid. Had a lot of fun with the shapeshifting and his generally chaotic nature. You can check out Tom’s post about how they built the world we’re playing in here.

A shaggy, red-haired straight horned cow in a field.
This is what my Dungeon World character looks like except with two legs and more vines. Highland cow by Nilfanion – Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=7868883

Old School?

But what I want to write about today is what the game evoked for me. As a player of a certain age, my first introduction to RPGs was the red D&D boxed set back in the late eighties. This was fairly normal at the time, as I understand it. It really was magic. I don’t remember too much of the mechanics of playing that game. My memory is reliably questionable. But I have a distinct memory of the feeling of it. The wonder of imagining my little dwarf swinging his wee hammer at monsters in some unnamed dungeon, having real adventures! I’d played choose your own adventure books like Fighting Fantasy and Zork before but this was entirely different. There was no way of save-scumming by keeping a finger on the decision entry page so you could go back if you didn’t like the outcome. The consequences felt consequential and the world was wide open. No limits!

When I think of old school games, I think these are the feelings they should elicit. Fear of threat, concern for real consequences, appreciation of truly impactful decisions, a sense of freedom in an open world and an enjoyment of the fantastic. I want to be fearful for the life of my character. I need to know that the decisions I make can have a truly terrible or wonderful impact on the world in some way. Now, there are a lot of differing opinions out there as to what constitutes an OSR principle. Some of them involve the inclusion of resource management, others disregard that as non-essential but insist that they should be ‘rules-lite.’ Anyway, let’s take this list I lifted from Wikipedia that comes originally from Matthew Finch’s A Quick Primer for Old School Gaming (2008.)

  • Rulings from the gamemaster are more important than rule books. Concoct a clever plan and let the gamemaster rule on it.
  • Player skill is more important than character abilities. Outwit the enemy, don’t simply out-fight them.
  • Emphasize the heroic, not the superheroic. Success lies in experience, not superpowers.
  • Game balance is not important. If the characters meet a more powerful opponent, either think of a clever plan or run away.

I think we can see that these four pillars of OSR games cover a lot of the feelings I want to get out of them. A sense of the fantastic is noticeably absent. But that might be something specific to me.

Dungeon World (2012) by Sage LaTorra and Adam Koebel supports this type of play so well. It ticks all these OSR boxes! Now, obviously, I have only played the one session of it so far, but I have to tell you, the first of the stars I sent to Tom after that session was this:

right at the top I have to say that this is the closest I feel I’ve gotten to experiencing the feeling of playing old school dnd in a very long time. Despite the system being slightly different, it’s close enough that it feels familiar. More importantly, it’s the overall atmosphere [Tom] has created with a pretty traditional dungeon scenario with puzzles and traps in a recognizable fantasy setting. It really brought me back.

It’s an odd duck, Dungeon World. It is very much a PBTA game. You have bonds and moves and holds and degrees of success/success with consequences when you roll your 2d6. But you also have D&D’s core abilities, alignment, HP and magic spells. You even have classes like Dungeons & Dragons. The standard races are human, elf, dwarf and halfling (Tom has tweaked the list of available races or cultures in their campaign. Once again, you can read more about that in their own words here.) So, this is how it retains the flavour of D&D without the ruleset. LaTorra and Koebel could have made a dungeon exploration game that was far more Apocalypse Worldy. I mean, do you really need the D&D style stats? No. Is alignment necessary? No. But we are trained to understand that the fiction presented by those things is reminiscent of a particular type of game that we want to experience the feeling of again. Well, that goes for those of us who have had that feeling before. For others, who maybe never played anything but PBTA games and are loathe to dip their toes into OSE or DCC or even actual D&D, it offers them a chance to do that.

So we were on a storm-wreathed cliff-side, and we were being led by a ghost dog we had just befriended. The ghost dog walked through the air to the other side of the cliffs as though the rope-bridge was still standing. But the bridge had been cut in the middle. Still, we knew the undead doggie was trying to direct us to where we needed to be, so we used a combination of moves (shapeshifting into a forest bird), equipment (lots of rope, which our paladin ended up losing as a consequence of his actions) and luck (mixed success) to make it across to the other side (even though the self-same paladin decided it would be clever to tightrope walk across and nearly plummeted to a nasty death as a result.) This one scene involved most of the pillars of the OSR that I quoted above.

Old as new

Sometimes I find I just have to write about games like this, that are brand new to me, even though they have been out for over a decade. I’ve done it with OSE and Dragon Age too. This might seem a little redundant to some, but the way I look at it is that, if it’s new to me, it’s new to someone else too. I have to remind myself that somebody discovers OD&D every day. I only first tried a PBTA game about three years ago. When it comes to RPGs, there are trends and movements and there is always something new coming out. And there are quite a few people publishing articles on them. But I don’t think that any reason not to write about games like this that I am enjoying and enthusiastic about right now, no matter how old.

Dear reader, we have literally, only just begun our Dungeon World adventure and I am hoping to write more about it and the other games I’m currently involved in over the next few weeks. There are so many! I am looking forward, next, to discussing Trophy Gold, run by Isaac, and a new project/event that Tables and Tales is cooking up too. So stick around for more!

Fear of an Indie RPG Podcast

RPG podcasts

I suspect that when most people think of RPG podcasts, they think of actual play, where a bunch of nerdy voice actors/comedians/nerds get together around a table/microphone/Zoom app and record their games. It is such a common format that one of the more famous ones is called Not Another D&D Pocast (NADDPOD.) There are a number of these that I like and I might get into them in another post at some point. This post is not about them.

So, as you may have gathered, I enjoy not just playing RPGs but also talking about them, reading about them, listening to people talk about them. There are not many podcasts that I listen to regularly that do this. I just don’t gel with all of them. But today I wanted to highlight two that I get a lot out out of. Sometimes I get advice to be a better GM or player from them, sometimes they introduce me to new games or supplements, sometimes I just get to relish people chatting about a subject that is close to my heart and interests me too.

The Yes Indie’d Podcast

Thomas Manuel runs this little gem. I got into it when a friend suggested I sign up for the Indie RPG Newsletter, also run by Thomas. Please go and sign up for that too, by the way. I look forward to that turning up in my inbox every Sunday morning. It’s a really good way of keeping up with what is happening in the indie RPG scene and getting some fascinating insights into aspects of the hobby you might never have thought you needed to think about.

The usual format for the podcast is that Thomas will invite an indie RPG luminary on to the show and interview them. He always has a bunch of insightful questions for them and the discussions that emerge have a lot to offer, particularly if you have ever been interested in creating and publishing your own indie RPG material. There are lots of good episodes but I would recommend a specific few recent ones that I got a lot out of:

Meeting Games Where They’re at with Quinns, one of the most reliable and funny RPG reviewers out there

Getting Weirder than Lovecraft with Graham Walmsley, creator of Cthulhu Dark among other good stuff

Open Hearth’s Games of the Year 2023. This is a bit of a cheat since it is not technically a Yes Indie’d episode but it did appear on the Yes indie’d feed so I get to include it. It is also the thing that made me go and sign up for Open Hearth so it gets extra points for that.

Fantasy Non-Fiction with Tom McGrenery of the Fear of a Black Dragon podcast

Fear of a Black Dragon

Which brings me nicely on to Fear of a Black Dragon. For the umpteenth time, Thomas Manuel directed me to check out something that I ended up loving.

The Fear of a Black Dragon podcast is the venerable OSR module review show produced by the Gauntlet. The Gauntlet is responsible for several high quality, popular indie RPGs and other related publications and podcasts. Their best known products probably include Brindlewood Bay, Public Access and The Silt Verses RPG. These games are very much not OSR by nature but the modules Jason Cordova (author or co-author of the games listed above) and Tom McGrenery (of the paragraph-before-this-one fame and creator of several games himself) review very much are.

The format is simple and unchanging, the reviews go deep and are guaranteed tested at the table, the vibes are spot-on. I started on the first episode from 2017 and have been binging it relentlessly for the last couple of weeks. What’s nice about this is that all the modules they reviewed back then are still relevant and available. Another interesting point is that the hosts mostly do not use OSR systems to play the games they review, rather they usually use something like Trophy Gold or Dungeon World, Powered by the Apocalypse games that are much less crunchy and more interested in the narrative of a game than the number of dice you roll for damage. They provide a lot of expert advice on how to handle conversions like these as well as great ideas for introducing scenes, developing NPCs, doing sound effects and other fun stuff.

The episodes I have listed below made me go and purchase the items they reviewed. These links are to their website but you can listen on your pod-catcher of choice of course:

Ultraviolet Grasslands

Fever Swamp

Slumbering Ursine Dunes

But you should also check out this one, which was the first one I listened to and is much more recent:

Episode 100 Special

Go and subscribe to these podcasts and sign up for their Patreons if you can:

Indie RPG Newsletter/Yes Indie’d Podcast

The Gauntlet/Fear of a Black Dragon